Talk:Snuffy

About her Nationality
Wouldn't it be better to refer to her as an American VTuber instead of an English VTuber? Yes, she is English-speaking, but referring to her as "English," and not indicating anywhere in the article that she's from America creates confusion. While referring to her as American indicates both her nationality and language; if someone is listed as American, then unless stated otherwise, the common consensus is to assume they're English-speaking. Due to these reasons, I believe this to be a much better introduction to the article. Slybirdz (talk) 06:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I will disagree with your suggestion and I am unsure on how stating Snuffy speaks English creates confusion. Is Snuffy the VTuber American or the person behind Snuffy American? The reason I disagree is to not second guess someone's language based on their nationality. For example, its like me saying that since x person is Mexican, so they must speak Spanish. Is that necessarily true all the time, well not always. Also it is preferred to state what language they speak rather than state their nationality. MCPopFan (talk)


 * When you refer to someone as "English," you are implying they're British. That's where the confusion comes in. Snuffy is American. If you don't want to list her nationality for whatever reason, then writing "English-speaking VTuber" is better than writing "English VTuber." I however, *do* want her nationality to be included in the article. The best way to do this would either be to include nationality in the list under her picture that has all her other personal details, or start the article by saying "American VTuber."
 * It's fine to write "American VTuber" instead of "English-speaking American VTuber" because English is the language spoken by the overwhelming majority of the United States. In your response above, you wrote about a hypothetical in which a VTuber is from Mexico, but does not speak Spanish. In this scenario we would write "English-speaking Mexican VTuber" because the reader would assume they are a Spanish speaker if only "Mexican VTuber" was written. Slybirdz (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You have absolutely valid points and I see that you want to specify what type of English she speaks. I will tell you that we do not have nationalities due to his/her 'character' is considered to live in a 'virtual' environment unless stated otherwise. Also we do not want editors to start categorizing VTubers based on their nationality (refer to the Contribution Guideline). However, the wiki does struggle with its consistency so there are VTubers that do state their nationality (i.e Ironmouse). If you would like a more concrete answer to your suggestion, you can message Fireburishi about their undo edit. From my standpoint, the edit was undone due to the word 'American' being a reference to nationality rather than language itself. MCPopFan (talk) 05:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Fireburishi I don't want to specify the type of English she speaks. I just want it to be clear to the reader that she's not British. I have stressed that I'm fine with it being changed to "English-speaking VTuber." Slybirdz (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)